tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post1413331505444284277..comments2023-05-14T03:03:09.451-05:00Comments on Female Impersonator: On Being a Bookworm: Part Three - what are the effects of porn on men?Ameliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-57104621561719597572008-05-28T13:04:00.000-05:002008-05-28T13:04:00.000-05:00**ATTN ALL: Please note Ennui's continuing refusal...**<B>ATTN ALL:</B> Please note Ennui's continuing refusal to focus on anything but our policies, and his reluctance to leave this blog despite his problems with them that he refused to discuss with me in a civil manner.**Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-26675150168031572052008-05-28T12:58:00.000-05:002008-05-28T12:58:00.000-05:00I don't really want to derail the thread(any furth...<I>I don't really want to derail the thread(any further), but I was hoping you might answer my queries?<BR/>Thanks!<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to. Any attempt I've made to respond to questions, rebut statements, or defend myself against insults gets deleted, I'm afraid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-2272135936596136492008-05-28T12:24:00.000-05:002008-05-28T12:24:00.000-05:00@ ennui,I don't really want to derail the thread(a...@ ennui,<BR/><BR/>I don't really want to derail the thread(any further), but I was hoping you might answer my queries?<BR/>Thanks!<BR/><BR/>*What subjects do you consider women’s issues, and which men’s issues? <BR/><BR/>*Also, who would you consider a proper spokesperson for men? <BR/><BR/>*Who, in your opinion, exemplifies what a man is? <BR/><BR/>*For that matter, what qualities embody what a man is? <BR/><BR/>*What qualities embody what a woman is?an.optimistic.cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13070852053869141583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-35808450320745433282008-05-28T11:19:00.000-05:002008-05-28T11:19:00.000-05:00A last note: Ennui, if you wish to continue compla...A last note: Ennui, if you wish to continue complaining about the moderation policies of this blog, please e-mail me personally (see my profile).<BR/><BR/>I refuse to have that discussion on a comment thread.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-36199744871725754032008-05-28T10:41:00.000-05:002008-05-28T10:41:00.000-05:00**"unfair" moderation.**"unfair" moderation.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-89493274664898561292008-05-28T10:40:00.000-05:002008-05-28T10:40:00.000-05:00Ennui, I will be censoring you because you comment...Ennui, I will be censoring you because you comments are not on topic! Instead of saying something relavent to the effects of porn on men, you have lately been consumed with the "misandry" of people, and the unfair moderation.<BR/><BR/>Stop the complaining about our policies and stop making accusations against our writers and you will be heard. If you cannot do without those things, then you will not be heard here.<BR/><BR/>That's final. If you choose to comment otherwise, I will not allow it to be posted. Period. Take it or leave it.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-614142190366289342008-05-28T10:36:00.000-05:002008-05-28T10:36:00.000-05:00Well, if you tell me I can't make comments about f...Well, if you tell me I can't make comments about feminists, because "not all are the same", then I request you no longer make comments about males, because "not all are the same".<BR/><BR/>You either allow both or neither.<BR/><BR/>Or stop stifling what people have to say.<BR/><BR/>I made no outright insults, but still get censored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-66136850149506057602008-05-28T10:13:00.000-05:002008-05-28T10:13:00.000-05:00I agree with you, aOC.I don't want Ennui to stop c...I agree with you, aOC.<BR/><BR/>I don't want Ennui to stop commenting, but if he were more careful in his comments, I would be much more inclined to take him seriously. But he seems unwilling to do that and instead focuses on supposed misandry in the writers here instead of focusing on the points he tried to make.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-59704972783220183982008-05-28T08:56:00.000-05:002008-05-28T08:56:00.000-05:00-"Feminist men can hardly be counted on for the vo...-"Feminist men can hardly be counted on for the voice of men.<BR/><BR/>Just like feminists discount what they call "misogynistic women", I discount "feminist men".<BR/><BR/>When a man is trained to speak what feminists and women want him to say, his words are no longer honest and true."-<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>@ ennui,<BR/> <BR/>I’ve read similar comments from you in a few other posts, but I wonder if a little clarification might help? <BR/><BR/>I’m setting aside my cynicism for a moment here, and am genuinely curious.<BR/>What subjects do you consider women’s issues, and which men’s issues? <BR/>Also, who would you consider a proper spokesperson for men? <BR/>Who, in your opinion, exemplifies what a man is? <BR/>For that matter, what qualities embody what a man is? What qualities embody what a woman is? <BR/><BR/>I strive towards thinking critically in all areas, and it seems to me the ladies and gents blogging here do the same. Maybe a little context would foster – if not agreement – than at least some understanding? <BR/><BR/>Alright, cloaking myself back in cynicism. ;)<BR/><BR/><BR/>aOC<BR/>http://anoptimisticcynic.blogspot.com/an.optimistic.cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13070852053869141583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-2918880490276131392008-05-28T07:56:00.000-05:002008-05-28T07:56:00.000-05:00That is an order, Ennui, and if you don't like it ...That is an order, Ennui, and if you don't like it then don't expect your comments to be posted here. The comment of yours that I quoted in my last comment was incredibly rude and you never even addressed that. Like I said, Jen is not beneath anyone here. <BR/><BR/>If she couldn't handle the way your comments were written (I still have them saved) then re-write them. Most of your comments were probably deleted because they strayed into the territory of "feminists this and that" instead of trying to convince anyone of your point. If you can't state your point without resorting to "Ha, typical, feminists do this, that, and the other" comments, then yours doesn't really seem like something worth debating/reading.<BR/><BR/>If you refuse to re-submit your ideas, then don't expect to be heard here. If your argument was so important to you that you will throw a fit about it not being heard, re-write it.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-13971739957846797162008-05-28T01:16:00.000-05:002008-05-28T01:16:00.000-05:00Also, as to coming at the argument in a different ...Also, as to coming at the argument in a different way, or whatever, the only way I can come at it is the way I did. <BR/><BR/>It's not my fault she doesn't like that, or gets upset when she's wrong or disagreed with.<BR/><BR/>Finally, on that note, when I type them up, I don't save them all somewhere, for future editing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-26036044477313755892008-05-28T01:15:00.000-05:002008-05-28T01:15:00.000-05:00Knock of this antagonistic attitude that you displ...<I>Knock of this antagonistic attitude that you displayed in that last comment.</I><BR/><BR/>Excuse me? Don't give me orders.<BR/><BR/>If your commenters are rude and insulting to me, I have every right to be "antagonistic" and defend myself.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, it's rude to outright delete anything you disagree with. They take time to write out and respond to.<BR/><BR/><I>If she deleted something you wrote, then maybe you should think of coming at your argument in a different way. If you can't, or refuse to do that, then your argument must not mean that much to you.</I><BR/><BR/>That's a lousy argument. The only thing she'd be comfortable letting stand, would be me telling her just how right she is, even when she's not, and me just sitting there and taking all the insults she and her ilk throw out.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>If you don't like it here, find another blog to read.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd just prefer the self-proclaimed champions of "equality" be a bit more equitable in their behaviour.<BR/><BR/>I mean, you people can insult me left and right, be rude, confrontational, and then when I respond, and defend myself, and rebut arguments, what happens?<BR/><BR/>Oh, you delete the comments. Really, really equitable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-21008408676932950592008-05-27T23:49:00.000-05:002008-05-27T23:49:00.000-05:00If the owners of the blog let the comment stand, i...<I>If the owners of the blog let the comment stand, it means it passed muster, and considering you're under them, it's a bit rude to go over their judgement and remove it anyway</I><BR/><BR/>First of all, "passing muster" can be an accident sometimes. Just today, I accidentally published several comments that I had not read. Stuff like that happens.<BR/><BR/>And Ennui, don't you dare tell my co-blogger (see how I say CO-BLOGGER) that she is somehow under anyone. I started this blog. I invited Jen to write here. She is my equal. She is the equal of everyone who writes here.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can delete comments. Knock of this antagonistic attitude that you displayed in that last comment. If she deleted something you wrote, then maybe you should think of coming at your argument in a different way. If you can't, or refuse to do that, then your argument must not mean that much to you.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like it here, find another blog to read.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-41035053596205909302008-05-27T23:38:00.000-05:002008-05-27T23:38:00.000-05:00Of course.Good job, Jen.I call you out, prove you ...Of course.<BR/><BR/>Good job, Jen.<BR/><BR/>I call you out, prove you wrong, and respond to unfounded accusations and insults thrown at me, and what do you do? <BR/><BR/>You delete the post.<BR/><BR/>I can't say I'm surprised by this behaviour.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to post articles, and have comment sections, and encourage discussion on a topic, be a little more honest, as you apparently only want people to tell you that you're right.<BR/><BR/>If the owners of the blog let the comment stand, it means it passed muster, and considering you're under them, it's a bit rude to go over their judgement and remove it anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-29638208637140706682008-05-27T21:46:00.000-05:002008-05-27T21:46:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-5465426643167664992008-05-27T21:13:00.000-05:002008-05-27T21:13:00.000-05:00Now that we have established that Ennui's primary ...Now that we have established that Ennui's primary objections to our posts stem from his sexism, we should probably just ignore him.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-43751422812778430572008-05-27T20:26:00.000-05:002008-05-27T20:26:00.000-05:00"When a man is trained to speak what feminists and..."When a man is trained to speak what feminists and women want him to say, his words are no longer honest and true."<BR/><BR/>You know, the more I look at that statement, the more it bothers me. You didn't just basically say that men who care about what feminists want are somehow flawed and not to be trusted...you also basically said that men who care about what women want can't be trusted to be honest. According to this statement, it would seem that you have little to no ability to empathize with women. I mean, really, Ennui, is that what you believe, that men can't be trusted once they empathize with women? <BR/><BR/>What a bloody statement.<BR/><BR/>(I apologize for veering off-topic with this comment...but I can not avoid pointing out what appears to be such blatant sexism)Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-32758449917774769882008-05-27T20:12:00.000-05:002008-05-27T20:12:00.000-05:00"Secondly, I notice no one comments on the link I ..."Secondly, I notice no one comments on the link I gave, that shows that pretty much everything hypothesized (porn= more rape, etcetera) that Jen stated turned out exactly opposite, or no change."<BR/><BR/>I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't comment on it because I didn't see anything in that article worth commenting on.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-87327304739688281902008-05-27T20:06:00.000-05:002008-05-27T20:06:00.000-05:00"Feminist men can hardly be counted on for the voi..."Feminist men can hardly be counted on for the voice of men."<BR/><BR/>Oh, so sorry to have been so terribly mistaken as to believe that maybe you could learn something from those men. <BR/><BR/>I guess I'll have to go tell the quite Feminist man in my life that he hasn't got a flaming idea of what it means to be a man.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-64937936415785267312008-05-27T19:23:00.000-05:002008-05-27T19:23:00.000-05:00If you find listening to feminist women's opinions...<I>If you find listening to feminist women's opinions on porn and the negative effects of porn on men so offense, perhaps you might wish to read the opinions of feminist men who are also anti-porn....<BR/><BR/>http://hugoschwyzer.net/<BR/><BR/>http://www.adonismirror.com/<BR/><BR/>Robert Jenson's Home Page:<BR/><BR/>http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/index.html</I><BR/><BR/>Feminist men can hardly be counted on for the voice of men.<BR/><BR/>Just like feminists discount what they call "misogynistic women", I discount "feminist men".<BR/><BR/>When a man is trained to speak what feminists and women want him to say, his words are no longer honest and true.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, I notice no one comments on the link I gave, that shows that pretty much everything hypothesized (porn= more rape, etcetera) that Jen stated turned out exactly opposite, or no change.<BR/><BR/>Funny, that. Ignoring things that prove your statements wrong, and sourced, at that. Wow, didn't see that coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-89852093419784558222008-05-27T17:48:00.000-05:002008-05-27T17:48:00.000-05:00Ennui,"But they tend to have no problem not only s...Ennui,<BR/><BR/>"But they tend to have no problem not only speaking about men's experiences, but TELLING us what our experiences are."<BR/><BR/>If you find listening to feminist women's opinions on porn and the negative effects of porn on men so offense, perhaps you might wish to read the opinions of feminist men who are also anti-porn....<BR/><BR/>http://hugoschwyzer.net/<BR/><BR/>http://www.adonismirror.com/<BR/><BR/>Robert Jenson's Home Page:<BR/><BR/>http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/index.htmlFaithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-33965998269358969072008-05-27T17:17:00.000-05:002008-05-27T17:17:00.000-05:00Goose, Ennui-It's a book. It's studies. I, and oth...Goose, Ennui-<BR/><BR/>It's a book. It's studies. I, and other feminists, have every right to comment on books and studies and various academic and peer-reviewed texts. What makes this look at Paul's chapter on porn affecting men legitimate is that I provide studies and sources and do not make any sort of conclusions that are not supported by research.<BR/><BR/>I also would ask for various other commenters to cease from twisting my argument to suit their own purposes. If you are not capable of reading the text you are commenting on, please don't bother to think that I will take you seriously.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-8184073680059718712008-05-27T16:32:00.000-05:002008-05-27T16:32:00.000-05:00no offense, but are a bunch of feminists, who self...<I>no offense, but are a bunch of feminists, who self-admittedly are concerned with women's rights, really the ones who should be discussing how porn affects men? I'm not trying to be trollish, I really am curious.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>While most feminists will attack a male for having any sort of opinion on things that specifically involve women and their experiences ("You aren't a woman, and can't speak for their experiences, because you've never had to experience that!")...<BR/><BR/>But they tend to have no problem not only speaking about men's experiences, but TELLING us what our experiences are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-82308132516797274212008-05-27T16:26:00.000-05:002008-05-27T16:26:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-29512133201779709042008-05-27T16:21:00.000-05:002008-05-27T16:21:00.000-05:00Personally, I'm interested by all gender issues an...Personally, I'm interested by all gender issues and society's ideals of masculinity and femininity. I think patriarchy hurts all of us and this is one example that complicates the issues around freedom of speech, sexual rights and the question of the influence of different mediums, television and the internet mostly in this case.lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285797515594923013noreply@blogger.com