tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post6171364555910660581..comments2023-05-14T03:03:09.451-05:00Comments on Female Impersonator: On Being a Bookworm: Part Four - what do women think of porn?Ameliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-78728582082693999202008-05-31T04:29:00.000-05:002008-05-31T04:29:00.000-05:00I am getting extremely sick of pruning the comment...I am getting extremely sick of pruning the comments. If you have an issue with me personally, then this is not the place to hash it out. If you have an issue with the blog rules, email Amelia instead of waxing off topic poetry all over my threads.<BR/><BR/>I am not at all sorry that my interpretation of a book written by a much more knowledgeable woman than you and I offends you so that you are inspired to rebut my arguments with the same tired old misogyny and "you hate men!" bullshit.<BR/><BR/>If you want a forum to attack women, fuck off. I will not tolerate it here. If you have a point other than childish whining, and can back it up without resorting to logical fallacies, ad hominem, and the same fucking bullshit that every half-wit bigot thinks is the pinnacle of debate come back. Otherwise, I will continue to relish the simple act of deleting your posts and silencing your sexism.<BR/><BR/>I was a Philosophy major before I was a Feminist, and I can absolutely say that the level of "debate" that went on in anonymous comments was worth less than the paper I used to wipe my ass. The bloggers here slave over our computers to bring you information and facts from the outskirts of human knowledge. We labor without pay to disseminate knowledge to you. If you are not prepared to come here with a modicum of respect and debate etiquette then leave.<BR/><BR/>I will not miss you at all.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-49539206576898966912008-05-30T20:08:00.000-05:002008-05-30T20:08:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-28120165570200150282008-05-30T20:07:00.000-05:002008-05-30T20:07:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-67228365451919129332008-05-30T19:59:00.000-05:002008-05-30T19:59:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-78922413389531814282008-05-30T19:34:00.000-05:002008-05-30T19:34:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-23785581868833965102008-05-30T19:16:00.000-05:002008-05-30T19:16:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-29135465326965429492008-05-30T18:13:00.000-05:002008-05-30T18:13:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-19240386508807685732008-05-30T17:30:00.000-05:002008-05-30T17:30:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-22973794839710090372008-05-30T17:22:00.000-05:002008-05-30T17:22:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-36786782918479437702008-05-30T16:37:00.000-05:002008-05-30T16:37:00.000-05:00Anonymous - personal attacks and playing therapist...Anonymous - personal attacks and playing therapist are not permitted in comments. The personal is political and it is extremely disrespectful to diminish the life lessons of another and encourage a culture of silence and shame.<BR/><BR/>Faith - I only deleted your last comment to preserve the flow of the thread in the absence of the offensive attack you were replying to.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-87333497726557165592008-05-30T15:58:00.000-05:002008-05-30T15:58:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-63373138400940096962008-05-30T13:36:00.000-05:002008-05-30T13:36:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-72272724066630188772008-05-30T12:20:00.000-05:002008-05-30T12:20:00.000-05:00"It was like one article I read some time back on ..."It was like one article I read some time back on another feminist site, where they basically attacked BDSM, and ruthlessly so."<BR/><BR/>FYI, I had a 4 year relationship with a man as his submissive. Even though it did bring me massive pleasure, I know for a fact that my desire to be sexually submissive was a result of a being abused. I also know that it is in part a defense mechanism to living in a society which constantly tries to make me sexually subordinate to men. In other words , if I can convince myself that it gives me pleasure, it makes it a bit more easy to deal with being so savagely oppressed and abused.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-35042682829898553692008-05-30T12:16:00.000-05:002008-05-30T12:16:00.000-05:00sorry if this posts twice...blogger hates me...Thi...sorry if this posts twice...blogger hates me...<BR/><BR/>This is a link to Ren's second post on porn and misogyny. This is a short excerpt:<BR/><BR/>"Interesting discussion going on over at WitchyWoo’s place, sparked off by this post and the resulting commentary. After reading, participating, pondering and other such words, I’ve decided to explore a bit more on the “WHY” behind men’s interest in and viewing of particularly misogynistic, rough and degrading porn."<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5kaoav<BR/><BR/>Remember: This women performs in some of the roughest, most violent, degrading porn in production entirely by choice.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-21813526870715464972008-05-30T12:13:00.000-05:002008-05-30T12:13:00.000-05:00Here's a link to Ren's second post on porn and mis...Here's a link to Ren's second post on porn and misogyny. This is a short excerpt:<BR/><BR/>"Interesting discussion going on over at WitchyWoo’s place, sparked off by this post and the resulting commentary. After reading, participating, pondering and other such words, I’ve decided to explore a bit more on the “WHY” behind men’s interest in and viewing of particularly misogynistic, rough and degrading porn."<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5kaoav<BR/><BR/>Remember: This women engages in some of the roughest, most violent porn in production entirely by choice.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-3520880279675089492008-05-30T12:08:00.000-05:002008-05-30T12:08:00.000-05:00"That's an opinion. Not a fact. Otherwise, one cou..."That's an opinion. Not a fact. Otherwise, one could assume that any sex act is only to "degrade" and "humiliate" women."<BR/><BR/>No, it is not an opinion. It is a fact that women are degraded and humiliated in porn. In porn, women are pissed on, shit on, slapped in the face, called "worthless cum dumpsters", dirty filthy sluts and whores, and "sluts who exist to sexually serve men". I have seen each and every one of those things and more occur in pornography. I do not assume that all sex acts degrade and humiliate participants. Only the ones that actually do.<BR/><BR/>Again, I gave this link in another thread. This women is a gonzo porn star. Even she admits that porn is degrading to women even tho she fully supports it:<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/3xoegr<BR/><BR/>"If two people choose to have sex, and neither of them are you, I think it best that you stay out of their bedroom, and let them do as they please."<BR/><BR/>Except that the conversation at hand really involves sex that does not occur in a bedroom...but sex that occurs ON CAMERA and that is then WATCHED by people who aren't actually participating and people who aren't actually participating profit from it. This is not sex that occurs in private. This is sex that has the potential to have negative consequences even for people who aren't involved. As for what people do in their bedrooms in the privacy of their own homes, I will also voice my concern if I believe that the women is being potentially or definitely harmed.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-42078277782196304392008-05-30T09:08:00.000-05:002008-05-30T09:08:00.000-05:00Recognizing the reality that porn dehumanizes wome...<I>Recognizing the reality that porn dehumanizes women and presents them as objects that exist for the sole purpose of beings sexually degraded and humiliated is not the same thing as saying that sex that does not involve love or emotional intimacy is bad.</I><BR/><BR/>That's an opinion. Not a fact. Otherwise, one could assume that any sex act is only to "degrade" and "humiliate" women.<BR/><BR/><I>I can't agree with that statement. I don't support prostitution, for starters. But also, if a person is having sex with another person with the intent of degrading, humiliating, or otherwise reducing them as humans - and/or views them as nothing other than an object - then that is a bad reason to have sex.</I><BR/><BR/>See, this is my point. I don't think it's up to you, or anyone, to shame people for the reasons they choose to have sex.<BR/><BR/>It was like one article I read some time back on another feminist site, where they basically attacked BDSM, and ruthlessly so. Even a lot of their commenters called BS on it.<BR/><BR/>Just because someone has sex in a way you don't like, doesn't make it less legitimate.<BR/><BR/>If two people choose to have sex, and neither of them are you, I think it best that you stay out of their bedroom, and let them do as they please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-1784411138793961392008-05-30T08:12:00.000-05:002008-05-30T08:12:00.000-05:00"Cheating is about the only "bad" reason for havin..."Cheating is about the only "bad" reason for having sex that I'd ever agree with."<BR/><BR/>I can't agree with that statement. I don't support prostitution, for starters. But also, if a person is having sex with another person with the intent of degrading, humiliating, or otherwise reducing them as humans - and/or views them as nothing other than an object - then that is a bad reason to have sex.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-83570675466813325522008-05-30T08:05:00.000-05:002008-05-30T08:05:00.000-05:00"You drew a lot of parallels between porn and sex,..."You drew a lot of parallels between porn and sex, lining things up as "porn = sex without emotion = bad"."<BR/><BR/>I didn't get that Jen was saying sex without emotion = bad. What I thought she was saying is that the portrayal of women in porn as not having agency or any emotions whatsoever was dehumanizing and objectifying. Recognizing the reality that porn dehumanizes women and presents them as objects that exist for the sole purpose of beings sexually degraded and humiliated is not the same thing as saying that sex that does not involve love or emotional intimacy is bad. <BR/><BR/>Sex can not involve no emotion whatsoever. If nothing else, feeling pleasure is an emotion, even if it is a result of being stimulated physically.Faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11408463400621223528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-67154796615563538672008-05-30T01:22:00.000-05:002008-05-30T01:22:00.000-05:00Nowhere did I say anything about how sex for pleas...<I>Nowhere did I say anything about how sex for pleasure is demonstrably bad. Nor do I imply that sex should only take place in a committed relationship. My analysis is based upon the first-person account I referenced, in which the porn user had sex with his girlfriend only in such a manner that was equitable to pornography, and in a manner that did not please her.<BR/><BR/>Do not misconstrue my argument for talking points. It is disrespectful.</I><BR/><BR/>You, multiple times, associated emotionless sex with "negative", having emotion in sex as positive, and mentioned that porn makes sex negative because it is emotionless.<BR/><BR/>You drew a lot of parallels between porn and sex, lining things up as "porn = sex without emotion = bad".<BR/><BR/>Which to me, says you find emotionless sex a "bad" thing.<BR/><BR/>You make a lot of points in that direction. I'm sorry it bothers you to have it pointed out.<BR/><BR/>If it wasn't your intent, perhaps you should have worded your statements more clearly, so as to avoid that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-35326154123756655842008-05-30T00:25:00.000-05:002008-05-30T00:25:00.000-05:00Nowhere did I say anything about how sex for pleas...Nowhere did I say anything about how sex for pleasure is demonstrably bad. Nor do I imply that sex should only take place in a committed relationship. My analysis is based upon the first-person account I referenced, in which the porn user had sex with his girlfriend <I>only</I> in such a manner that was equitable to pornography, and in a manner that did not please her.<BR/><BR/>Do not misconstrue my argument for talking points. It is disrespectful.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-61898496644215393442008-05-30T00:01:00.000-05:002008-05-30T00:01:00.000-05:00I should amend that.What I mean is simply, there i...I should amend that.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>What I mean is simply, there is no "bad" reason for two people who want to have sex, to have sex.</I><BR/><BR/>To add: Except cheating on an SO.<BR/><BR/>I don't care how sex-positive someone is, or if they want to justify it by saying no one owns their sexuality...<BR/><BR/>Cheating is about the only "bad" reason for having sex that I'd ever agree with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-58275262031455919992008-05-29T23:53:00.000-05:002008-05-29T23:53:00.000-05:00That reeks of possible rape-apology. Not saying th...<I>That reeks of possible rape-apology. Not saying that's what you meant, Anon, but such a frame-of-mind seems like it would be rather forgiving of, say, rape, because your focus was on a single "user" that could force someone else to have sex because that would be included in "whatever the user pleases."</I><BR/><BR/>Uh...what?<BR/><BR/>You ignore my entire post, and all the relevant points therein...<BR/><BR/>To get potentially angry at me for you seeing something that didn't exist in my statement?<BR/><BR/>Seriously?<BR/><BR/>I mean, no offense, but that's ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>"Sex can be used for whatever the user pleases".<BR/><BR/>In other words, if you wish to use sex for emotional closeness with your SO, fine. If you wish to use sex to get off with your SO, fine. If you wish to use sex because you're horny, and so is the person you found to have sex with, fine.<BR/><BR/>What I mean is simply, there is no "bad" reason for two people who want to have sex, to have sex.<BR/><BR/>The author had a terribly conservative attitude when she basically said that sex should be used for what she thinks it should be used for, and all other forms of it are somehow bad, less legitimate or wrong.<BR/><BR/>It seems the objection to porn comes from her objection to emotionless sex.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, it's perfectly alright to ONLY want sex with emotion, but that's not what everyone has sex for, and to try to shame people for not having sex "her way", just sounds terribly conservative.<BR/><BR/>Just, in the future, please, by all means, respond to my comments, state your opinions, but don't take something and run so far with it.<BR/><BR/>Also:<BR/><BR/>Erotica: (from the Greek Eros - "desire") or "curiosa," works of art, including literature, photography, <B>film</B>, sculpture and painting, that <B>deal substantively with erotically stimulating or sexually arousing descriptions</B>.<BR/><BR/>Pornography or porn is the explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, <B>especially with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer</B>.<BR/><BR/>Two words for two things, both with the intent of sexually arousing the consumer of said material.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-70813273550571299962008-05-29T23:42:00.000-05:002008-05-29T23:42:00.000-05:00No problem. I was just going to throw a lot of sar...No problem. I was just going to throw a lot of sarcasm at them because of their lack of effort in commenting...which can be fun sometimes. :)Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-67836218862282662802008-05-29T23:40:00.000-05:002008-05-29T23:40:00.000-05:00I delete comments that are off topic. He said that...I delete comments that are off topic. He said that there is no difference between erotica and porn, and provided no counter-argument to a point which I had already covered in depth in the original post.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Amelia.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05333226493312516551noreply@blogger.com