tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post6631827504972197624..comments2023-05-14T03:03:09.451-05:00Comments on Female Impersonator: All the naked ladiesAmeliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-16400871355520343692008-04-17T00:01:00.000-05:002008-04-17T00:01:00.000-05:00The problem is not that entertainment industries a...The problem is not that entertainment industries are always absolutely sexy or sexist. Our society has created them that way.<BR/><BR/>Why should women have to be limited in their choices? Why can't the industry change so as to not require women to take off their clothes in order to make the optimal amount of money? That way women can have the freedom to choose any career they like, not merely the traditionally female-dominated ones...and that way, if they decide to take their clothes off, it will be because it's really what they want.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-74907373644555377772008-04-16T23:41:00.000-05:002008-04-16T23:41:00.000-05:00Tyler makes a good point. It is the choice in a ca...Tyler makes a good point. It is the choice in a career. Still the fact remains the same and always will. Bottom line, sex sells. They chose the field where they knew they might have to show something to get some cash. If they didn't want to show it, they should have chosen differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-76756473493630231182008-04-16T23:35:00.000-05:002008-04-16T23:35:00.000-05:00how about this: they chose to become an actress or...how about this: they <B>chose</B> to become an actress or a model. Nobody forced them. They just as easily could have been a secretary, nurse, or teacher. Just like modeling, all of those are traditionally female dominated jobs. If they don't like what happens in the industry, they could have not entered, or at any time they can make the choice to get out.Goosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05425919642933133023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-56698636121135270722008-04-16T22:32:00.000-05:002008-04-16T22:32:00.000-05:00I think the real question is will the actress, mod...I think the real question is will the actress, model, women, etc. choose the option of not revealing themselves?<BR/><BR/>I think that if that image was worth as much as the sexy one is, I think they might. In some of the interviews I've heard about the actresses choosing parts with nude scenes etc., it's considered a career move--not that they're uncomfortable with their bodies or simply would never get naked otherwise, but that it's part of their job. Maybe they would rather not, but to keep the job, to gain popularity by having work out there for consumption--they kind of have to. So there is a choice, in the abstract, but if you want to prosper you have to play by the rules. Now if the choices were equal, either sexualization or not would lead to the same exposure, the same popularity, I'm sure there'd be women on both sides of the fence making those choices, but I can't feel comfortable deeming it a real choice if the results of those options are obviously very different.<BR/><BR/>I think of it as in, I can study for a test, or not study, but the only option I have if I want a decent grade is to study. It's only a true choice if I don't really care what my grade is in the end, if I do care, I have to make a particular decision and I feel its similar when it comes to media exposure and popularity. There are options but only one for those who want to succeed.OutcrazyOpheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962033787590226582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-26408746523397824602008-04-16T21:39:00.000-05:002008-04-16T21:39:00.000-05:00You still do have the choice. Like Amelia said its...You still do have the choice. Like Amelia said its the option, not the choice. I think the real question is will the actress, model, women, etc. choose the option of not revealing themselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-63594345311383517162008-04-16T21:04:00.000-05:002008-04-16T21:04:00.000-05:00"the problem is that sometimes the level of succes..."the problem is that sometimes the level of success that comes with different options is not the same."<BR/><BR/>This. I can rattle off the names of female actresses and musicians who never really got off the ground as the next big thing because their image just wasn't sexual enough for the popular market. It's annoying, and maybe if women weren't rewarded for falling in line and punished for failing to, I'd be more inclined to believe in true choice.OutcrazyOpheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962033787590226582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-80244721675050164772008-04-16T20:45:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:45:00.000-05:00It shouldn't be but it is because our society is s...It shouldn't be but it is because our society is so full of sex, and sex sells. Its sad but thats how it is and I don't see it changing for awhileAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-11812638943013103012008-04-16T20:32:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:32:00.000-05:00I agree, Meg, that women can still be successful w...I agree, Meg, that women can still be successful when they choose to keep their clothes on, but the problem is that sometimes the level of success that comes with different options is not the same.<BR/><BR/>Why should a woman who decides to keep her clothes on be treated differently than a woman who decides to take them off anyway?Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-53237261230694289442008-04-16T20:25:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:25:00.000-05:00"Perhaps my argument could be better framed as opt..."Perhaps my argument could be better framed as options? Women who choose certain careers often are so limited in the paths they can take to success"<BR/><BR/>That does make more sense, but still. A model or an actress can still be successful, and keep their clothes on. Yes, it might be a bit more challenging, but it is still very possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-26135659631855615882008-04-16T20:19:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:19:00.000-05:00Again, Ophelia beat me to the point with pretty mu...Again, Ophelia beat me to the point with pretty much just what I wanted to say.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, Meg, that if, say, someone CHOOSES to become an actress, and she wants to make the most money possible. That is a choice. But what if the only way to make a lot of money is to take off one's clothes? If your choice was to become a model and make a lot of money, how many options do you have?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps my argument could be better framed as options? Women who choose certain careers often are so limited in the paths they can take to success, that they don't really seem to have much freedom to truly...choose.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-65569115785816559352008-04-16T20:11:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:11:00.000-05:00"-It's not really a choice to listen to your paren..."-It's not really a choice to listen to your parents when they're the ones feeding, clothing, and disciplining you. You may think you have a choice but you will have to behave or face consequences"<BR/><BR/>That is a choice right there. You choose to behave or have the consequences. That is a choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-59922077638276810142008-04-16T20:05:00.000-05:002008-04-16T20:05:00.000-05:00But your argument was essentially that we're all f...But your argument was essentially that we're all free to make our own decisions, citing an example where someone went against the grain and was rewarded. <BR/><BR/>"A two year old will choose whether he wants to listen to his parents telling him no or not"<BR/>--It's not really a choice to listen to your parents when they're the ones feeding, clothing, and disciplining you. You may think you have a choice but you will have to behave or face consequences. <BR/><BR/>If going against the grain is punished, how much of a choice do you actually have to do what you want? Is it a viable choice if say you're making the decision between eating and not eating or succeeding and failing in your industry?OutcrazyOpheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962033787590226582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-59535187582244815412008-04-16T19:57:00.000-05:002008-04-16T19:57:00.000-05:00Yes, the modeling world is cruel, but that isn't a...Yes, the modeling world is cruel, but that isn't anything close to the real world. From the time you can make your first decision, you will choose matter what. A two year old will choose whether he wants to listen to his parents telling him no or not. The exact same way that a 97 year old woman will choose. Everyone makes their own decisions, thats just how it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-2210037743515645452008-04-16T19:22:00.000-05:002008-04-16T19:22:00.000-05:00I agree with Ophelia, because one time I was watch...I agree with Ophelia, because one time I was watching that same show and they said something almost exactly like, "You can't turn down work if you want to make it in this business."<BR/><BR/>...not much of a choice there.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-70255332200837513662008-04-16T17:35:00.000-05:002008-04-16T17:35:00.000-05:00"I know this is a lame example, but on America's N..."I know this is a lame example, but on America's Next Top Model they were doing a naked photo shoot and one of the girls refused to get naked. She stood by her decision, and was respected for it."<BR/><BR/>From what I've heard, the modeling world is rather harsh and if you want to make it, you don't have the choice to turn down work if you want to get your name out there. I remember hearing about that show and one of the models was supposed to be done up to look like Grace Jones and she was a poor sport about it and that was cited as the reason for her booting. Although you should have the right to choose what work you think is appropriate, its not always rewarded.OutcrazyOpheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962033787590226582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-20863191863993236742008-04-16T15:54:00.000-05:002008-04-16T15:54:00.000-05:00Women are totally free to make any decision they w...Women are totally free to make any decision they want to. I know this is a lame example, but on America's Next Top Model they were doing a naked photo shoot and one of the girls refused to get naked. She stood by her decision, and was respected for it. She did not get sent home that week, and she made it to the final two. So yes, women do have choices. It is just the fact if they choose to stand by their decision, and some women just like to show their bodies off, its their choice. No one said they had to or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-16694909671901250962008-04-16T01:27:00.000-05:002008-04-16T01:27:00.000-05:00I can't wrap my head around the idea that people's...I can't wrap my head around the idea that people's choices are anything but there own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-37638395328755392862008-04-15T22:54:00.000-05:002008-04-15T22:54:00.000-05:00Thanks for refusing to acknowledge more than just ...Thanks for refusing to acknowledge more than just a small portion of what I said, Colt. Good for you.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-83672371610120056912008-04-15T22:52:00.000-05:002008-04-15T22:52:00.000-05:00Yes they are free to make decisions.Yes they are free to make decisions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-30224146800749298622008-04-15T22:27:00.000-05:002008-04-15T22:27:00.000-05:00People are not necessarily free to make decisions,...People are not necessarily free to make decisions, Colt. If their choices of ways to achieve their goals (be them fame or just making ends meet) are limited for whatever reasons, it is not completely a free choice because other options are not available. <BR/><BR/>Yes, women have the agency to choose among their often limited options, but who is responsible for them being limited in the first place?Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-79313328115942702752008-04-15T22:09:00.000-05:002008-04-15T22:09:00.000-05:00Nope, your free to make decisions. Peer pressure o...Nope, your free to make decisions. Peer pressure or not; You can't put responsibility of your choice on anyone but you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-25820879841315475732008-04-15T15:46:00.000-05:002008-04-15T15:46:00.000-05:00I don't think you completely understand the concep...I don't think you completely understand the concept of "freedom" I am thinking of, Colt. Sure, this is America, and no one physically forced these women to take off their clothes, but in American society there are certain standards that are in place, and certain markets that make it very profitable to do certain things. So if the end goal is to make money, do women really have the "freedom" to choose any option they want? No. They often get forced into options (often dictated by the larger society - which is largely male-driven) so that they can make money.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if that makes sense, but I'm trying really hard to do some reading for my classes and respond to comments.Ameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-10391380259751619532008-04-15T15:43:00.000-05:002008-04-15T15:43:00.000-05:00But isn't it a fundamental question at hand? To wh...But isn't it a fundamental question at hand? To what degree are our choices completely independent of the society in which we live? If you eliminate the possibility of personal choice, you're eliminating the possibility of agency. Give too much credence to individual choice and you ignore the affect societal standards have on individuals. <BR/><BR/>Would they take off their clothes if they had a choice? Or, would taking their clothes off be such a big deal if society was alright with it? It's naughty because it's not allowed but it's encouraged because it's naughty. Weird.OutcrazyOpheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962033787590226582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-87333219768366208732008-04-15T15:34:00.000-05:002008-04-15T15:34:00.000-05:00amen colt.amen colt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-83182048214062441532008-04-15T15:33:00.000-05:002008-04-15T15:33:00.000-05:00There choice, there freedom and none of are busine...There choice, there freedom and none of are business. The choices we make are our own and no one else makes them for us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com