tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post6888811453667925517..comments2023-05-14T03:03:09.451-05:00Comments on Female Impersonator: Troll PatrolAmeliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-13105146275399447952008-05-18T20:42:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:42:00.000-05:00I closed comments and hide them because they were ...<I>I closed comments and hide them because they were patronizing and insulting to me personally, feminists, and women in general.<BR/><BR/>Women have been oppressed throughout history. There is no debate on that matter.</I><BR/><BR/>Translation: "We are always right, men are always wrong".<BR/><BR/>If a man made as many generalizations and nasty comments about women as feminists do about men, he'd be labeled a misogynist.<BR/><BR/>So why is it when a feminist does it, it's not only acceptable, it's applauded?<BR/><BR/>Judging by the attitudes, though, feminism is the ultimate "have your cake and eat it, too" movement.<BR/><BR/>You want everything, you don't want to do anything to get it, you want everyone to agree with you, you don't want to have to agree with anyone else, you want to be right all the time, you want women to be more important than men, etcetera.<BR/><BR/>Don't tell me otherwise, as I won't believe it. It's easy to see, when you see feminists say "If more/all women were in power in government, everything would be better for everyone!".<BR/><BR/>Assuming that if a woman were in charge of everything, naturally, the world would be better. Why would it be better? Because she's a woman, duh, and women are better than men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-17410449413758116392008-05-18T20:36:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:36:00.000-05:00And try dating an "average" guy, y'know, guys that...And try dating an "average" guy, y'know, guys that aren't rich or have lexus cars and aren't in college. Y'know, this will lessen the idea that women are "gold diggers" and stuff like that.<BR/><BR/>Why not take a guy who you would normally not go out with, and try going out with him? You may find that he is probably more loving, respectful, and attentive than the "alpha male badboy" types.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-71465897479447329502008-05-18T20:35:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:35:00.000-05:00Hey I have a serious question.Why don't feminists ...Hey I have a serious question.<BR/><BR/>Why don't feminists ever empower themselves by taking personal responsibility?<BR/><BR/>If feminists (and women in general) are so mad that men "just want sex" and not relationships... then... instead of complaining about it... why not foster in yourself qualities that men seek out in relationships?<BR/><BR/>Such as... "I want to be your girlfriend. I bring to the table my fidelity and assurance to you that I will never cheat on you. I bring to the table my respect and assurance that I will appreciate all that you do for me. I bring to the table my love and assurance that I don't hate you for being a man and wanting to sleep with me."<BR/><BR/>That would be a good start, y'know, since because of the sexual revolution women cheat on men at least as much as men cheat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-52983907485546266932008-05-18T20:29:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:29:00.000-05:00"I closed comments and hide them because they were..."I closed comments and hide them because they were patronizing and insulting to me personally, feminists, and women in general."<BR/><BR/>Yea yea yea. We know already. Anything that disagrees with your or your idealogy is "patronizing, insulting, dadadada".<BR/><BR/>Despite the fact that many things were said that were personally insulting to me and Ennui. You know, cuz none of that matters.<BR/><BR/>"Women have been oppressed throughout history. There is no debate on that matter."<BR/><BR/>Actually, there is a very hot debate going on about this between feminists and top thinkers and historians of our day. :D<BR/><BR/>I posted a bit about it in my own blog.<BR/><BR/>Also I will posit that if women were "oppressed throughout history" by being protected to raise children, then I will posit that men have been MORE oppressed throughout history by the simple fact alone that we are cannon fodder and laborers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-61021132266088361202008-05-18T20:25:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:25:00.000-05:00Yeah.With all of us "sexually liberated", I can go...Yeah.<BR/><BR/>With all of us "sexually liberated", I can go out and have sex with a woman and not even have to tell her my name, get into a relationship with her, or marry her.<BR/><BR/>And then they complain about being "sexual objects". Well, with their attitudes, it's no wonder guys get the goods and then run. :(<BR/><BR/>It's sad too, cuz there are a lot of lonely men out there who desire an emotionally intimate relationship with a woman, but can't find it because of all these walls women put up these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-66228107652508576762008-05-18T20:24:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:24:00.000-05:00I closed comments and hide them because they were ...I closed comments and hide them because they were patronizing and insulting to me personally, feminists, and women in general.<BR/><BR/>Women have been oppressed throughout history. There is no debate on that matter.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00139058825727884888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-88626306939576886462008-05-18T20:18:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:18:00.000-05:00Naturally, when a feminist is proven wrong, all pr...Naturally, when a feminist is proven wrong, all proof of the event must be hidden away.<BR/><BR/>That, and without the ability to accuse men of "hating women" at every turn, feminism runs out of steam, quite often.<BR/><BR/>Makes it quite nice to come home to a house where the only girls greeting me say "Meow".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-75094430845214458162008-05-18T20:12:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:12:00.000-05:00And also right after I was pointing out how women ...And also right after I was pointing out how women were never oppressed to begin with.<BR/><BR/>Interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-11717934511184683822008-05-18T20:11:00.000-05:002008-05-18T20:11:00.000-05:00Sad.Comments on the other blog were closed just as...Sad.<BR/><BR/>Comments on the other blog were closed just as I was finding common ground with one of the feminists there.<BR/><BR/>Maybe they don't want men and women to get along?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-63100040095124830812008-05-18T19:18:00.000-05:002008-05-18T19:18:00.000-05:00"Change the world to be incredibly beneficial to w..."Change the world to be incredibly beneficial to women, and awful for men."<BR/><BR/>Isn't that the way it's always been, though. Y'know, men marching off to die in wars while women are safely kept at home and provided for on the toil and sweat and blood of their husbands?<BR/><BR/>Oh no. A couple of women get raped.<BR/><BR/>So what.<BR/><BR/>Even with rape factored in, men still account for the victims of 75% of all violence.<BR/><BR/>Ah hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-15478805046883476652008-05-18T18:57:00.000-05:002008-05-18T18:57:00.000-05:00"Oh no, the feminist brainwashing is not working o..."Oh no, the feminist brainwashing is not working on you. Then go away and have minds of your own elsewhere on the internet then."<BR/><BR/>First you call us asses (which should have been deleted by the admins if they followed their own rules). And when I point out that you're only calling me an ass because I have a different opinion and you can't convince me otherwise, you tell me "go away then. Disagree somewhere else."<BR/><BR/>Nice.<BR/><BR/>"Pompous and patronising is just how you come across on this comment thread. You still do. Asses, that was a little harsh I'll grant, but by that point in the thread you had been extended a lot of patience by the blog authors and your continuing disrespectful behaviour showed that you weren't here in good faith, so it doesn't actually bother me that you feel insulted."<BR/><BR/>Don't make excuses for your behavior. Two wrongs do not make a right.<BR/><BR/>"and to want to listen to and be an ally of those who are directly affected by racism, misogyny and homophobia and other oppressions."<BR/><BR/>You accused me of racism. I called you on it and refuted you, and now you are backpedaling and just calling me an "ally" of racists, misogynists, and homophobes. Nice.<BR/><BR/>"Ok, I was a little unclear"<BR/><BR/>Backpedaling.<BR/><BR/>"your misrepresentation of my words"<BR/><BR/>First you beckpedal and admit to being unclear, now you're placing the blame on me "Misrepresenting" your words. Which is it? Make up your mind.<BR/><BR/>"(I'm glad he repeated that, I would hate to have missed reading it. Priceless! I love it.)"<BR/><BR/>If you miss something the first time, some people are kind enough to repeat themselves for you. Sarcasm is not a polite way of saying "thank you."<BR/><BR/>Now calm down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-52163162271125630022008-05-18T18:31:00.000-05:002008-05-18T18:31:00.000-05:00showed that you weren't here in good faithBy this,...<I>showed that you weren't here in good faith</I><BR/><BR/>By this, you mean: "Weren't here prepared to allow us to re-educate you into a "better" male (that is, one that does what we want him to.)."<BR/><BR/><I>Yes, you are stomping around in this space, this blog and other feminist blogs, mouthing off, telling the blog authors and commenters that they are in the wrong for writing things you disagree with, demanding apologies for this left right and centre, it's extraordinarily boorish and rude.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>And in this space, men are the minority. Funny, that. And the blog owners are stomping around, telling us we're wrong for writing things they disagree with, demanding apologize for this left right and center, and it's extraordinarily boorish and rude.<BR/><BR/><I>No, not falling for that one either. </I><BR/><BR/>Blah blah blah blah.<BR/><BR/>Except you tell us that unless we focus 100% on feminist goals, as men, we're unimportant, useless, and misogynist.<BR/><BR/>So, in this case, the door swings both ways. You can't call someone that doesn't work tirelessly for your goals "sexist", unless you expend energy on theirs.<BR/><BR/>I hate "feminists psychics", that sit around and pretend to know why men do everything, despite not being men, and only having limited experience with them, based on resentment and sometimes outright hate FOR them.<BR/><BR/><I>(I'm glad he repeated that, I would hate to have missed reading it. Priceless! I love it.)</I><BR/><BR/>How is it "priceless"? It's logical. Every. Single. Thing. That a woman could offer me in a romantic context, I can get elsewhere, easier, cheaper, and with less stress.<BR/><BR/>Ergo, the only reason I would have to endure such a situation, would be reproduction. Which I am not interested in.<BR/><BR/>That's why you're acting so flippant towards the statement. You're aware of it's veracity, and that women aren't expressly "needed" by men.<BR/><BR/><I>Our actual reaction is, what the fuck are you on?<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Of course, because in your minds, any disagreement with feminists is obviously wrong, and silly.<BR/><BR/>Besides which, many people apply "homophobia" to everything. If someone says "A gay man hit on me, and I was grossed out", he's called a "homophobe".<BR/><BR/>Now, I know people so claustrophobic that they can't even look at elevators, let alone get into one. They aren't mildly bothered by them.<BR/><BR/><I>Dirty Rotten Feminist said And Maria-- You rock. These guys are just gonna blast anyone that disagrees with THEM and try to turn around on us. As long as we are united, we are strong.</I><BR/><BR/>Which is funny, since you're, you know, blasting anyone that disagrees with you.<BR/><BR/><I>What trolls do is strive to make their voices more important than your voice. They think they get to define things, not you (like whether their words are trolling or dissent, or whether a woman saying she thinks she's attractive is confidence or vanity).</I><BR/><BR/>What feminists do is strive to make their voices more important than everyone else's voice. They think they get to define things, not you, (like what you're thinking, what your intent with statements are, and that if you don't find fat women attractive, you must hate women AND fat people).<BR/><BR/>For the record, going around repeatedly saying "I'm so hot" is vanity. Period.<BR/><BR/><I>They want you to be silent so that they can define what feminism is or isn't, what feminists are, what women are.</I><BR/><BR/>They want you (men) to be silent, so that they can define what masculinity is or isn't, what misogyny is or isn't, and what men are (and what they're for).<BR/><BR/><I>Sometimes a questioning non-feminist commenter is genuinely interested and is going to be open to listening to you, but when they are repetitive and full of themselves like these two are, it's important to recognise that they are positively invested in not giving any ground on their twisted view of gender issues.</I><BR/><BR/>Sometimes a feminist is genuinely interested in learning about things other than her own viewpoint and is going to be open to listening to you, but when they are repetitive and full of themselves like these are, it's important to recognise that they are positively invested in not giving any ground on their twisted view of gender issues.<BR/><BR/>Also, see, funny thing:<BR/><BR/>You go at this with the attitude, again, that anyone that disagrees with you is OBVIOUSLY wrong, and needs to be "reeducated" in order to be properly controlled, and brought to YOUR viewpoint, which is of course, the ONLY right view.<BR/><BR/>You sound a lot like a fundamentalist Christian.<BR/><BR/><I>Ban them, and speak your truths fearlessly.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, you sound like a fundie Christian.<BR/><BR/>Saying "I HAVE THE TRUTH" doesn't make it, you know, the truth.<BR/><BR/>Nor does "I am right, you are wrong! Why? Because I have ovaries, and you have a penis, that means everything you do is wrong, unless you do EXACTLY what I tell you, and follow orders clearly!"<BR/><BR/><I>It's our obligation to create a cacophony with our personal narratives, until there is a constant din that translates into equality, into balance."</I><BR/><BR/>Because equality and balance are, of course, "Silence men. Silence men. Browbeat men. Insult men. Marginalize men. Hate men. Force men to comply. Change the world to be incredibly beneficial to women, and awful for men. Make men suffer. Then we will have balance."<BR/><BR/>Right?<BR/><BR/>The reason feminism fails these days, is the vast majority of women...well, they like men. They want to marry one. They want to have children with one some day.<BR/><BR/>They aren't interested in punishing all men because one man raped you 15 years ago.<BR/><BR/>They don't believe that having children is the ultimate in anti-woman acts. They don't think having sex with men is a great evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-41824128420453781722008-05-18T17:59:00.000-05:002008-05-18T17:59:00.000-05:00Sorry for posting such a long second comment, but ...Sorry for posting such a long second comment, but this is everything else I want to say in this thread, (which I think should be preserved as a useful and fascinating case study in trollish behaviour).<BR/><BR/>Coyote_skinhead said: <I>Why because we have minds of our own and don't swallow what you tell us? That gives you the righ tot insult us? (And BTW, by insulting us in the very first line of your post, you give yourself away: your only purpose is to troll and harass Ennui and myself).</I><BR/><BR/>Oh no, the feminist brainwashing is not working on you. Then go away and have minds of your own elsewhere on the internet then. Pompous and patronising is just how you come across on this comment thread. You still do. Asses, that was a little harsh I'll grant, but by that point in the thread you had been extended a lot of patience by the blog authors and your continuing disrespectful behaviour showed that you weren't here in good faith, so it doesn't actually bother me that you feel insulted. Why do people receiving criticism think it is an effective comeback to flip it around and claim that they too are victims of the behaviour they have been called out on. Get called out on trolling (or whatever), realise "ah these people see trolling as a bad and unfair thing", and start saying "help, help somebody is trolling <I>me</I>! now you must be on my side, now you can't criticise me". Perhaps you believe it gives you some kind of moral high ground, but from here it just looks like a silly tactic to evade responsibility. "Your only purpose is ... " - er, who's trying to mind-read now? <BR/><BR/>And <I>I'm not racist, nor misogynist (funny how that word didn't come about until feminism... maybe feminism caused misogyny? ever think of that?), nor am I a homophobe. Nor do I believe that there's a risk of slavery being reinstated in America ("spurred to action to prevent it happening again" lol?)</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say you were any of those things. I said it was self-absorbed to react to feminism or anti-racism as a personal criticism and to believe that men or white people individually are expected to take on personal blame for slavery or for the historical oppression of women. It's not a unique response of course, but a more constructive alternative would be to realise that it's not all about you, and to want to listen to and be an ally of those who are directly affected by racism, misogyny and homophobia and other oppressions. <BR/><BR/>And <I>Because I hate minorities. I have posted so much hateful, racist, homophobic and jew-hating material, it's obvious that my only purpose is to "stomp over all the minorities" on the Internet.</I><BR/><BR/>I said "over minority spaces on the internet" not "over minorities". Ok, I was a little unclear in that "minority" is often meant as being to do with "ethnic minorities", and what I meant but did not specify was that feminist/women-centred spaces on the internet are in a minority. (Women are approximately half the planet's population, but is half the world's population feminist?). Yes, you are stomping around in <I>this</I> space, this blog and other feminist blogs, mouthing off, telling the blog authors and commenters that they are in the wrong for writing things you disagree with, demanding apologies for this left right and centre, it's extraordinarily boorish and rude. <BR/><BR/>But anyway, either your reading comprehension is just poor or your misrepresentation of my words deliberately serves to encourage a casual observer to believe that you have been wronged and that I have called you a racist / a misogynist / a homophobe and am therefore extremist and unreasonable. For someone who quibbles so lengthily about meaning and accuracy and forms of argument, this is rather sloppy. <BR/><BR/>And <I>Can you please calm down? You're taking an inch (a disagreement over feminism) and stretching it out over all the miles of racism, homophobia, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm very calm, thank you. (hmm, ostentatiously telling me to "calm down" again serves to foster the idea that I am not calm and therefore "unreasonable"). It was Ennui who brought up the parallel of discussions about slavery by the way. <BR/><BR/>Ennui said:<I>Well, how often are you advocating for men's rights?</I>. No, not falling for that one either. Someone else already articulated the answer to this better than I can: <A HREF="http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2003/09/feminists_are_sexist" REL="nofollow">"What this is really about is men accusing feminists of sexism and hypocrisy unless they can prove that they spend exactly half of their time, energy, and resources on campaigning on behalf of men. What this is really about is that if feminism only improves the lives of women, it has no value or importance. What this is really about is that feminism only has value if it works on behalf of men and improves the lives of men. What this is really about is anti-feminist men being threatened by women working for women. What they’re really saying is that to talk about women, to focus on women, to point out that something affects women badly; all of this is of no importance or value."</A><BR/><BR/>Ennui said some hilarious things: <I>I said, and I repeat this now for the nth time, that I do not date, because I see no point in dating unless you want to reproduce, because women have nothing to offer me within the context of dating. If I wanted to reproduce, they'd have something to offer me, and that would be a reason to date/sleep with them.</I><BR/><BR/>(I'm glad he repeated that, I would hate to have missed reading it. Priceless! I love it.)<BR/><BR/>And <I>Moving on, the word "homophobia" is insulting to people with actual phobias. </I> This killed me when he said it in the other thread too: <I>"you don't even know what "homophobia" means. Get a dictionary. Using that statement is highly insulting to people with ACTUAL phobias."</I>. So now I understand it better: homophobia means <A HREF="http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/homophobia?view=uk" REL="nofollow">an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals</A> and this is not simple prejudice (<A HREF="http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/prejudice?view=uk" REL="nofollow">preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or experience</A>) against gay people, it is an actual affliction, and there are people out there who need therapeutic assistance to start feeling comfortable being around gay people and accepting of same-sex attraction and relationships. That sounds good actually, homphobic individuals being helped to overcome their homophobia. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, here, the anti-feminist has grasped that feminists and their allies are often concerned with use of language and also with fostering respectful attitudes. This is why he believes it to be such a trump card to wag his finger and say that you are "insulting ... people with ACTUAL phobias", he thinks that we have no choice but to roll over in defeat and agonise over the fact that we have apparently ignorantly insulted people with disabling psychological afflictions. Our actual reaction is, what the fuck are you on?<BR/><BR/>Dirty Rotten Feminist said <I>And Maria-- You rock. These guys are just gonna blast anyone that disagrees with THEM and try to turn around on us. As long as we are united, we are strong.</I><BR/><BR/>Aw, thanks, no problem. :) I just read a lot of blogs, have done for a long while, and seen some awesome troll-handling by bloggers and commenters alike. Anti-feminist trolls don't say anything new, that's why we have them to thank for inspiring great resources like <A HREF="http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=431" REL="nofollow">anti-feminist bingo cards</A> and <A HREF="http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/" REL="nofollow">Feminism</A> <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Feminism+101%22&btnG=Google+it&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fshakespearessister.blogspot.com&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fshakespearessister.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">101s</A>. <BR/><BR/>What trolls do is strive to make their voices more important than your voice. They think they get to define things, not you (like whether their words are trolling or dissent, or whether a woman saying she thinks she's attractive is confidence or vanity). They want you to be silent so that they can define what feminism is or isn't, what feminists are, what women are. Don't let them tie you up knots arguing with them, making you spell out and defend the basic tenets of your feminist convictions. They consume your time and energy. Sometimes a questioning non-feminist commenter is genuinely interested and is going to be open to listening to you, but when they are repetitive and full of themselves like these two are, it's important to recognise that they are positively invested in not giving any ground on their twisted view of gender issues. Ban them, and speak your truths fearlessly. You've probably already read this piece of awesomeness from Shakesville, but it bears repeating: <A HREF="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/04/feminism-101-how-are-we-supposed-to.html" REL="nofollow">"Because women's stories aren't told, it's incumbent upon female feminists to tell their own stories, to fill that void, to be unrepentant and loquacious raconteurs every chance we get, to talk about our bodies, our struggles, our triumphs, our needs, our lives in every aspect. It's our obligation to create a cacophony with our personal narratives, until there is a constant din that translates into equality, into balance."</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-45194368431016041932008-05-18T12:57:00.000-05:002008-05-18T12:57:00.000-05:00This thread has proven the post.Arguing with troll...<I>This thread has proven the post.<BR/><BR/>Arguing with trolls is futile.</I><BR/><BR/>Translation: "You proved me wrong, badly so, so I'm going to pretend that I'm "better" than this conversation, and take the cowardly route out."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-70787227923156947622008-05-18T12:16:00.000-05:002008-05-18T12:16:00.000-05:00I realize that the purpose of this post may have p...I realize that the purpose of this post may have partly been to entertain this sort of discussion, but I really hope the authors of this blog will stop interacting with deliberately and repeatedly hostile and stubborn individuals who (for some unknown reason) continue to comment.<BR/><BR/>I know it's your blog and you can respond or not respond as you like, but seriously. This isn't getting anyone anywhere.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03293899765809639283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-54228225228937534862008-05-18T10:17:00.000-05:002008-05-18T10:17:00.000-05:00"The majority of the population is female. That ma..."The majority of the population is female. That makes females "normal," and males "abnormal.""<BR/><BR/>Incorrect. As I posted before, normal: "conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural."<BR/><BR/>The standard is that men make up a little under half of the population. That is the <I>standard</I>, and any trip out into public will confirm this. It is also <I>natural, and regular</I> to encounter an amount of me equal to about a little less than half of all the people you encounter in any given day. Also, making up a little less than half of the population does indeed make men <I>common</I> and <I>usual</I>. Homosexuals, being at an estimated 1% of the population, are neither <I>natural, and regular</I>, neither <I>standard, or common</I>.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, men are normal, and homosexuals are abnormal.<BR/><BR/>Fact.<BR/><BR/>"Your logic, not mine. Not to mention the concept of what is normal and what isn't relies on individual subjectivity and varies greatly."<BR/><BR/>Ahh yes. Feminists love to take something that they're wrong about and reduce it to the subjective. Reducing something to the subjective does a few things for feminists:<BR/>1) they don't have to worry about peksy "logic"<BR/>2) they don't have to worry about doing that silly thing called "making sense"<BR/>3) they reduce everything to the anecdotal and "opinion space".<BR/><BR/>You can see it happening right here. A feminist stood up and said homosexuals were "normal", or at least, "not abnormal". This was proven wrong. Then, another feminist stands up, and says "Oh, well, it's all subjective anyway."<BR/><BR/>Feminists always <I>retreat</I> into the "subjective".<BR/><BR/>Your opinion may well in fact be "homosexuals are normal." but this is just your opinion. Stepping outside of your own miopic existence, and looking at the Big Picture, we see that you are, indeed, <I>wrong</I>. Your are entitled to your own opinion, true, and you are also entitled to disagree and be wrong even in the face of incontrovertable logic.<BR/><BR/>But don't expect to be taken seriously.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps in your life, you deal with many homosexuals on a daily basis. Perhaps many many of your friends are homosexual. This would, in your *subjective* experience, make homosexuality the norm.<BR/><BR/>However, that is only you.<BR/><BR/>There are 6.4 billion more people on the planet we have to contend with.<BR/><BR/>And for 6.4 billion people, the minority of which are feminist (thank God), homosexuality is abnormal.<BR/><BR/>"This thread has proven the post.<BR/><BR/>Arguing with trolls is futile."<BR/><BR/>No, it's proven that trying to make us believe things that make 0 sense when scrutinized is futile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-18263317439412327972008-05-18T09:36:00.000-05:002008-05-18T09:36:00.000-05:00This thread has proven the post.Arguing with troll...This thread has proven the post.<BR/><BR/>Arguing with trolls is futile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-21343699734151837852008-05-18T00:22:00.000-05:002008-05-18T00:22:00.000-05:00Though, I should add:One thing I've noticed about ...Though, I should add:<BR/><BR/>One thing I've noticed about dirtyrottenfeminist is this:<BR/><BR/>She will often make accusations, some wilder than others, and when those are refuted, proven wrong, or otherwise trumped, instead of correcting herself, apologizing, or admitting making an incorrect assumption...she simply ignores that you've said anything.<BR/><BR/>I addressed each and every thing she accused me of, showing her to be wrong. Rather than admit that, she said nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-9459917425661662772008-05-18T00:18:00.000-05:002008-05-18T00:18:00.000-05:00By assuming heterosexually as the norm, and homose...<I>By assuming heterosexually as the norm, and homosexually as the abnormal, it marginalizes and erases them and makes it easier for hate-fueled attitudes to prevail.</I><BR/><BR/>Regardless, in a binary gender species that reproduces sexually, heterosexuality IS the norm. If it weren't, the species wouldn't be able to reproduce in enough numbers to sustain itself.<BR/><BR/>This is standard biology, and observable in any and every species that reproduces sexually.<BR/><BR/>It's why males have parts what go into females, and ejaculate things that work with what females have internally, to produce offspring. Obviously, we evolved to function like that, ergo, heterosexuality is the end result of that.<BR/><BR/>It's just like saying "It's normal to sleep at night, and sleeping in the day is abnormal". Does that mean third shift workers are all bad and weird? No.<BR/><BR/>Also, assuming that anyone that dislikes or otherwise doesn't acknowledge homosexuals must hate them is incorrect. I've seen many a feminist rail against the religious. Does that mean feminists hate religious people?<BR/><BR/><I>No one should be subjected to verbal abuse in a relationship. No one should have sex when they don't want to. Ever. Male or female.<BR/><BR/>And that's that. </I><BR/><BR/>Problem is, people, especially women, and especially feminists, are all too willing to attack males that do those things...while letting females slide, and get away with it, or justify it by saying that if they did it, they MUST have been provoked, and the male MUST have deserved it somehow.<BR/><BR/><I>Really, if you care so much, start your own blog. And since I respect your space, I won't be trolling it no matter how much I disagree with your sentiments.</I><BR/><BR/>I've previously illustrated here, my lack of interest in starting a blog. Again, posting dissenting opinions is not trolling, sorry.<BR/><BR/>The only reason you wouldn't show up to any blog I'd create, is you would lack a sufficient argument there.<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps you'd be afraid of getting the same treatment you give?<BR/><BR/><I>Not to mention the concept of what is normal and what isn't relies on individual subjectivity and varies greatly.</I><BR/><BR/>No, in this case, it relies on biology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-12278585394359202782008-05-17T23:48:00.000-05:002008-05-17T23:48:00.000-05:00Most men and women are heterosexual. That makes th...<I>Most men and women are heterosexual. That makes them "normal".<BR/><BR/>This makes homosexuals "abnormal".<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>The majority of the population is female. That makes females "normal," and males "abnormal."<BR/><BR/>Your logic, not mine. Not to mention the concept of what is normal and what isn't relies on individual subjectivity and varies greatly.lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285797515594923013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-88483395503977437552008-05-17T23:30:00.000-05:002008-05-17T23:30:00.000-05:00"By assuming heterosexually as the norm, and homos..."By assuming heterosexually as the norm, and homosexually as the abnormal, it marginalizes and erases them and makes it easier for hate-fueled attitudes to prevail. And just because you two don't use the word "abnormal" to have negative connotations doesn't mean the rest of the world won't."<BR/><BR/>I like how you use words incorrectly.<BR/><BR/>Like the word "assuming".<BR/><BR/>It's a fact. A "publicly observable repeated phenomena". Most men and women are heterosexual. That makes them "normal".<BR/><BR/>This makes homosexuals "abnormal".<BR/><BR/>Sorry.<BR/><BR/>It's unfortunate that you think this "marginalizes" homosexuals. It doesn't.<BR/><BR/>Prejudice marginalizes homosexuals.<BR/><BR/>Bye now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-66666491679901240042008-05-17T23:25:00.000-05:002008-05-17T23:25:00.000-05:00Ennui and Coyote Skinhead--You are both horribly o...Ennui and Coyote Skinhead--<BR/><BR/>You are both horribly offensive, insensitive, impossible to argue with. Unlike you, I expect my readers to have some semblance of reading comprehension so when I say something like "...it does cost $600 a week (or more) to raise a baby--when you factor in diapers and childcare and housing and formula and medical bills and clothing and every other thing they need." and "Second off, housing, gas, and all other support to the mother also contributes support to the BABY. You generally need um, housing and a well fed adult and vehicle to take care of said baby." to mean "some" even though I did not place it in there. I didn't say "every" now did I? <BR/><BR/>I never did say that dads shouldn't and couldn't take care of their kids in a divorce. But when you start handing out blame to solely the women, well, then I stop listening. In most divorces, both parties have some blame. I agree that the courts are biased in favor of the women because of unfair gender stereotypes. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>By assuming heterosexually as the norm, and homosexually as the abnormal, it marginalizes and erases them and makes it easier for hate-fueled attitudes to prevail. And just because you two don't use the word "abnormal" to have negative connotations doesn't mean the rest of the world won't.<BR/><BR/>And finally...I have a huge issue with this: "1) *REAL* spousal abuse, not the imaginary "he called me a bad name, he is so abusive" type, 2) *REAL* sexual abuse, not the imaginary "he wants to have sex once a week, omg, that pig"."<BR/><BR/>No one should be subjected to verbal abuse in a relationship. No one should have sex when they don't want to. Ever. Male or female.<BR/><BR/>And that's that. <BR/><BR/>I'm done with you two. I will continue to read this blog while you go off and have your email pow-wow on how much you hate us crazy feminazis. Really, if you care so much, start your own blog. And since I respect your space, I won't be trolling it no matter how much I disagree with your sentiments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-88923281267021013192008-05-17T22:49:00.000-05:002008-05-17T22:49:00.000-05:00"Marriage is about love"Marriage is no more about ..."Marriage is about love"<BR/><BR/>Marriage is no more about "love" than sex is. Marriage is about forming an economic unit in order to produce and grow a child. Lofty ideas like "love-unions" are in fact relatively recent ideas.<BR/><BR/>Love fades. Thus, a love-union will dissolve. Children deserve better.<BR/><BR/>Women these days are so selfish. Once you have a child, your LIFE is that child. If your husband is boring, or lazy, or smells bad, who cares: deal with it until the kids is 18 and can take care of his/herself and then leave and go fall in love with someone else.<BR/><BR/>Until then, you only hurt your child by breaking up a marriage.<BR/><BR/>The only reason to break up a marriage that has produced a child is: 1) *REAL* spousal abuse, not the imaginary "he called me a bad name, he is so abusive" type, 2) *REAL* sexual abuse, not the imaginary "he wants to have sex once a week, omg, that pig".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-62154297173552587072008-05-17T22:44:00.000-05:002008-05-17T22:44:00.000-05:00Ennui: I would appreciate it if you emailed me som...Ennui: I would appreciate it if you emailed me sometime. feral_freedom1027@yahoo.com. I admire your critical thinking skills and quick-fire logic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6730657139931062421.post-58831564180983773852008-05-17T22:39:00.000-05:002008-05-17T22:39:00.000-05:00"I was simply saying that in some instances, child..."I was simply saying that in some instances, child support should cover housing."<BR/><BR/>No you most certainly did *not*. Your *exact* words were:<BR/><BR/>"And yes, it does cost $600 a week (or more) to raise a baby--when you factor in diapers and childcare and housing and formula and medical bills and clothing and every other thing they need." and "Second off, housing, gas, and all other support to the mother also contributes support to the BABY. You generally need um, housing and a well fed adult and vehicle to take care of said baby."<BR/><BR/>No *not* backpedal with me. I will scroll back, no matter how long it takes me, and directly quote you when you backpedal. I have *no* tolerance for intellectual dishonesty. Do *not* try to requote your statements and sneakily sneak in other words, like "some", which was missing from your original statement.<BR/><BR/>"I bet if your friend was offered $600 a week, her life would be much easier."<BR/><BR/>I'm sure if she was offered $1,500,000,000 a week her life would be even easier than with $600. What's your point? That a man should pay $1,500,000,000 a week? Because that is the logic behind your statement.<BR/><BR/>"And just because heterosexuality is the major sexual orietaion does not mean it is NORMAL. Then, homosexual = abnormal. That's how we get homophobia."<BR/><BR/>BINGO! You are correct. If heterosexual is normal, then homosexual is ABNORMAL. But abnormal need not = bad, immoral, inferior.<BR/><BR/>And BTW, hetero IS normal. "conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural." Homo is not standard, nor common, nor usual. It's the minority. And abnormal. Again, doesn't make it bad. Just makes it abnormal. Sorry.<BR/><BR/>"I realize you were just trying to dismiss my argument."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com